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Old 06-18-2009, 08:49 AM
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mlincoln - please check out this site. since the a/c outlet temp is in the ballpark of what you are seeking the apparent problem is the ductwork. if you have adequate attic circulation for the radiant hot air inside, - gable vents, forced hot air removal, gravity soffit vents, then the ducts are the last that will absorb heat and warm up whatever is going through them.
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Yea according to the repair man it is over 100 degrees up in the attic (or as he described it, as hot as a firecracker). He suggested actually that we needed to ventilate the attic more to allow more air. He also suggested changing the thermostat. Could that really be the problem? I don't know if he check the thermostat on the fans but I am assuming he did. I've never experienced this problem before do you really think it could be as simple as that? I am going crazy because we haven't figured it out yet.
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Thanks yea the warranty guy did describe it as hot as a firecracker up in the attic. Im not sure but ill assume he check the attic fans. Do you think that this could really be the problem with the temp. He did suggest adding more vents/fans in the attic to cool it down. He said the temp was over 100 degrees up there. Could this be where the heat is being gained? Does each attic fan have a thermostat? He did suggest replacing that as well.
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the fans use a surface thermostat. some are fixed some are adjustable. gable vents are louvered slats of metal or wood mounted nearest to the peak in an attic. as heat rises normal convection currents should vent the heat out. air is drawn in via soffits at the eaves, then along the roof surface and then laterally out the gable vents.
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So can it really heat up the air 10 to 15 degrees if proper circulation is not in the attic and it gets extremely hot?
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also the flow of air is less in two of the rooms.
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Is your house a ranch house with an attic or does it have two levels ?
If it has two levels, is down stairs AC temps OK ?

One thing to do would be to place a thermostat on top of one of the ducts, leave it there for 10 minutes and then tell us what the temp. was.
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No, this is not a ranch house. A friend advised a cleaning of the ducts. I had the ducts cleaned and my tenant complained that the house got even hotter. Does this sound right? If so, how can cleaning the ducts cause the temp in the house to be higher then before the cleaning? If the issue is with venting the attic, how much lower will this bring the air temp? The current unit is a 3 ton unit that seems to be fine with the exception of the elevated air temp flowing into the home. As mentioned, the problem is not with the ac, but with the air temp getting hot from the ac to the attic. The repair man said the attic was around 130 degrees. This house does not have attic fans but attic vents that are suppose to circulate the air. I have some more questions. This is the first year that the tenant has had an issue with the AC. Last summer, she never indicated that the air was too hot. What would cause this change in the ducts from one summer to the next? Also, do you think an upgrade to a 4 ton unit would help the temp flowing into the home? Or would I still need to address the issues with the ducts? If I did get a new unit, would the utility bill go up? My tenant feels that the temp in the house should reach 68-70 degrees. Is it possible to cool the house to this range when the outside temperature is around 97-100? Thank you all again for sharing your expertise and responding to all of my questions.
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Old 06-21-2009, 08:30 AM
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Ok, so let me get this straight.....the property is a two level home, the lower level seems to be fine with the heat and cooling, the upper level has plenty of air moving in the ducts but there is a discrepancy of 10-15 degrees between the AC unit and the end run of the ducts as they enter the rooms. One room has a much reduced flow of air to it.
Have you, yourself, put a thermometer at several ducts where they enter the home?....this would help to find out if it's just one or two duct runs, upper and or lower level only. If you find out that it's only in the attic run ducts then the attic heat would be a real issue. (Attics should never be allowed to reach 130 degrees regardless, it for one dramatically shortens shingle life).
Another approach to take would be to place a thermometer under the attic duct insulation, find out what temp. it is reaching there.
Cleaning of the ducts will change the temp. very little if any, what cleaning does (other than reducing particulate matter and all the other pollens etc...) is help keep air flow up.
Changing to a bigger unit doesn't mean that you get colder air, a bigger unit is able to pump larger volumes of air to cover larger areas. As a rough guide for approximately every 600 sq. feet you need 1 ton....this is a very rough guide as there is a whole system of figures to working out exact sizes, but it gives you a good ballpark.

From experience I've found that in many cases when a tenant see's a landlord having problems with a particular repair sometimes the line between "it's never done that".....to "oh.....it's done that the whole time lately"......becomes blurred. That's why I think you need to work on an elimination approach, if you actually find that there is a big drop in temps. in all rooms upper only then it's an attic insulation/airflow issue.

Regardless of this issue you would be very well advised to have a powered roof vent installed, ideally you should be able to keep your attic temps. down around 90 degrees in mid summer, remember though if your sucking air ou of the attic you need to make sure that the soffits can allow fresh air in.
The foloowing link is a great explaination of roof venting and while it is from Texas A&M University, the same principle applies anywhere.
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Well the home is a single story home. It's approximately 1,400 sq ft. I will measure the temp of the ducts when I get to the house this upcoming weekend. I thought it would have been solved by now. I'm traveling from California to address this issue.

I definitely appreciate the link about ventilating the attic. I think I'm going to have some sort of ventilation method installed so that I can preserve the construction of the home.

I hate to ask, but suppose it still doesn't solve the issue, can you think of what the problem might be?
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